If you asked different people, you'll get different answers. To some it is where those intolerant people meet. Some say it is where superstitious people worship an old fashioned religion. Others see the church as the building where they worship God. What is the church Biblically?
The word church is derived from the Greek work ecclesia. The word has the idea of "called out to an assembly." It was a word used to describe a town meeting. Biblically, the church were the ones called out by God. We tend to think of the church as a building or organization. It is actually an organism or a body. The church is the body of Christ.
Originally the church was divided into regions. Each city or district of a city had a local assembly. Denominations did not occur until after the reformation. Denominations occurred over divisions over free will versus God's sovereignty, church versus state and other issues. Today there are churches of all kinds. Today even non-Christian groups, like Scientology, call themselves "a church".
The church was meant to be an assembly of God's redeemed people. It was where they gathered for prayer, worship, fellowship, reading from the Bible, preaching and commemoration of the Lord's Supper.
What is the perfect church? It is a church where God is glorified. It is a church that seeks to please God. It is a church that pleases God in everything they do. It is a church that does things God's way. It is a church that reads, believes, and obeys God's word.
Uh, there were no denominations before the Reformation? Are you serious?
ReplyDeleteI think you need to be reading some real history books by actual scholars, not just a bunch of pastors educated in a basement.
While I have utmost respect for Jesus Christ his most important message, "Love one another as I have loved you," I do not identify myself as a Christian. Yes, that is entirely possible. Not that I accuse you of this, but I am irritated whe people who do identify as Christians feel they have the corner on Christ's message. Unfortunately, it is many of those Christians who give Christ himself a bad rap and turn people away from Him.
ReplyDeleteI may be mistaken here, but I understand that you believe the bible to be the actual word of God. But, truly, it can only be the word of God, as he inspired men. Because man is inherently imperfect, the word itself cannot therefore be looked upon as 100% perfect. In my opinion. As I hope you are learning in your studies, church politics played a large role in the decision as to which books were both included and (even more importantly) excluded from the book as we know it today. I would be quite interested to know your thoughts on the Gnostic gospels, particularly the Books of Judas and Mary Magdalene.
Building on Michael's comment: The reformation lasted for 131 years, from 1517 until 1648. If you truly believe that there were no denominations prior to that time, I highly encourage you to read up on the Council of Nicea, convened in AD 325, in an effort to unite the different "denominations" under one unified Christian doctrine.
ReplyDeleteThis is basic, basic stuff, Dan. Faith alone will not make you a relevant pastor. You may not always like the truth behind the history, but it is imperative that you are at least familiar with it and have the ability to intelligently discuss it.
Hello Dan,
ReplyDeleteI agree...I'm not the most religiously observant Christian, but even I know about early Christian denominations and have a (very) basic understanding of the Council of Nicea. Believe it or not, these issues were covered in my public school history classes when we studied early Christianity. I would really suggest Google or Wikipedia for a brief and basic overview of some of these issues if you want to find out more information.
Good luck with your studies!
It is true that at the time of the Reformation, the western church was dominated exclusively by the Papacy. But you cannot forget the Eastern Orthodox churches or the African or middle eastern churches that were not part of Rome or the East. You also cannot forget that prior to the Council of Nicea (and other such Councils) there were denominations.
ReplyDeleteYou really need to study up on your church history. No pastor should fail to understand the basic history of the Christian church.
Nice to see Emily is back to writing your blog.
ReplyDeleteThis entry had complete thoughts and decent spelling.
I am still waiting for answers. Has anyone came to your apartment? Does the landlord know your kids are sleeping in a closet?
Are you still feeding your kids rotten food? Do they have bedding or clean clothing?
Have your taken your children back to the Dr? Do they have a Dr?
Dan, your wife is mentally ill. She needs help. Not "Im going to pray for you" kinda help. She needs help from a professional.
Seek help for her before it is to late.
I gotta give it to you Dan, you do seem to persevere and move forward no matter what. BUT it really would be to your benefit to understand what you write before you write it so you're not continually giving out false information, misconceptions. I'm not sure you have a real understanding of the point you're trying to get across and it is very annoying. Sorry. You seem like a decent enough guy but I just don't think you understand how your words and writing make you appear on line. You appear under educated and almost -- and I hate to say this -- but you sound stupid a lot of the time. I caution you to have someone, anyone be it a professor, a good friend or even Emily review your "sermons" before hitting the publish button. It can only benefit you. I promise.
ReplyDelete"There were some three hundred bishops gathered at the Council of Nicea from all around the world. Eusebius lists many of them and their country of origin in his writings. It should be remembered that many of those present had, because of the recent persecutions, suffered and had faced threat of death for their faith. These were not wishy-washy men. It might also be remarked, that they were extremely sensitive to details of doctrine. As evidence of this, the second major concern of the Council of Nicea was to address the hotly debated question of what the proper day was to celebrate the resurrection."
ReplyDelete(http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/nicea.htm)
From all around the world (as it was known -Europe, Asia, Africa, The Middle East) they came with their different versions and visions of worship. These were denominational differences Dan. Please if you are going to put forth information, spend some time researching it and make it right.
As a former educator, I'd wonder where your information came from (no citation, no author) and what lead you to your conclusion. It's very confusing.
there were not orginized denominaitons. denominations were alot of times groups deemed ad heritics such as the folowers of arias. the nestoriens wcould mayby be called a denominaiotn. they were deemed to be heritics altohugh new evidence indicates that may have been propiganda. the othdox could maby be a denominaiton. they considered themsves the true church. the scism is quite complicated. i want to look into that.
ReplyDeleteDan where are you getting your information?Cite some examples? I do hope that they are teaching you how to use MLA and other sources in your school and teaching you proper research techniques.
ReplyDeleteThe schism rocked Christianity to it's heels. Yet today the Orthodox church exists in many places quite successfully. I visited several Orthodox churches in Greece and the services were wonderful. I'd still like to get to Russia and attend a service there.
I've been to mass at Notre Dame and felt the presence of God there.
OT: Have all 3 of your kids seen a doctor yet? Are you changing your mind about WIC and getting it so your kids have a variety of food to choose from? Did you sell the mattress? Just wondering.
I am glad someone brought up citing/MLA if you do not know how to do that Dan you really need to sit down and take a deep look at your school. Most high school students and anyone in college(well most colleges) have taken a English Comp class that teaches you how to cite work and MLA formats.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest I am a little shocked that you don't cite your work. Wasn't Emily going to call the FBI and lawyers because people were 'stealing' her posts?
So the Papacy considers these groups heretics and that somehow means they aren't denominations? The Papacy considered and still considers the Lutheran church to be a heretical church. Does that mean it isn't a denomination? Of course not! So why does it mean that any church that existed before the Counsel of Nicea isn't a denomination or that the various anabaptist groups were not denominations?
ReplyDeleteNot to mention the church of the Mali(sp?) Empire in Africa that had no connection to the European churches. That civilization knew Christ for nearly 1,000 years without much if any contact with Europe. What about the various Middle Eastern churches that were not affiliated with Rome or the Eastern Church? Why aren't they denominations in your mind?
I don't care what the Eastern church thinks of itself. The Eastern church and the Papacy both consider themselves the one true church. But that matters not when discussing denominations. Both are denominations. That they're delusional about what they are is irrelevant.
My college uses APA citation format. But on to the church denomination debate, there were so many denominations before the reformation. Gnostic Christianity, Pauline (the one that was accepted by the Roman Empire) and Jewish.
ReplyDeleteThe beginning of "denominations" was the Great East-West Schism in 1054 AD. This was when the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church split. It was one of the very first major splits in the Christian Church.(christianity.about.com,2010) <<<< That is proper citation.<<<< It would be nice to know where you got your information.
This is Church history. Has your school talked about it?
As a pastor you are going to have know church history, even knowing some latin and greek and hebrew wouldn't hurt. You'll have to know the historic customs of the areas that are talked about in the Bible.
Can I ask why you chose the particular school you are in? Liberty University is a christian school that offers online degrees. In fact there are several schools that offer distance learning for pastorial degrees.
i do know aobut mla. at nebc we used turabien. i dont cite my corurces on hear becuase it is not acedemeic. it is an opinion peace. unlike ems blog this blog is just for fun. i looked into liberty but rulled it out. i was going to go to another shcool out of the country finaces feel though. i chose nebc becuase it has a good reputation. it was a quick desision. i feel it worked out well.
ReplyDeleteBut NEBC is still unaccredited isn't it? A piece of paper from a school that hasn't passed muster yet? I know that Maine accredits it and it passes the VA muster, but if you want to transfer to a seminary to get an M.A. you will find yourself lacking and after spending all that money, it will be hard.
ReplyDeleteSo you answered those questions, but what about the kids? Have you had a decent hot dog yet? And I see that Em's got ads on her bellybutton blog. Did you ever ask her why she lied about you demanding that she shut down her blog?
I wish you peace.
Dan have you thought about going to a local community college for some core classes? I am saying this NOT to be mean but in a very sincere way. Taking a English comp class would probably do wonders for you. You could get them 100% covered by grants and if you wanted to take out student loans you could also use those for living expenses.
ReplyDeleteMLA/APA is a way of citing works. I can see why you might not want to use them on your blog but if your school has not talked or taught you these you should be VERY VERY concerned.
blogssuckarsh - Do you mean any harm towards Dan or his family, or even his school or employment? Many of your words seem threatening and scary and antagonistic and gleefully hateful. It's concerning to me, and possibly to other readers. Dan & Em, have you read what this quy has said over several of Dan's posts? You might want to consider distancing him from you as much as possible - he's polite one moment and rude the next and that seems a little on the wacko side of the mental health line. Probably nothing, but not worth taking chances over imho.
ReplyDeleteUse Google, Wikipedia even. You don't have to do significant research but you do need to back up your claims. If you're going to discuss something theological and/or historical, blog or not, you should cite or at least create hyperlinks to the most important parts of your discussion.
ReplyDeleteFor example just refering to 'the reformation' isn't enough, which reformation? Martin Luther's, the radical Reformation, the English Reformation etc? The most significant split of denominations occured after the reformation but recognised denominations existed over a millenia before then. Even before Martin Luther's reformation there was the 11th century 'great' schism and before that smaller schisms.
I'm not an active Christian, yet I can come up with most of this from memory and the rest with a little help from Google and a couple of well researched and referenced wikipedia articles.
Ecclesia is a Greek worD meaning assembly or council if you use it in the context of the church. Ecclesia was the 'principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens' (thankyou wikipedia). Research is a marvellous thing, helps you learn a new thing or things even every day.
Eyeoforion, I generally agree with you that Dan should probably provide basic citations for some of his theological claims. But that said, there's no reason to provide a citation for 'the Reformation.' 'The Reformation' is commonly understood to be the Protestant Reformation which encompasses Luther, Calvin, Knox, the Dutch and the Anglicans.
ReplyDeleteAll of this said, any pastor who doesn't have a basic understanding of Greek, Hebrew and Latin isn't worth anything. Pastors need to understand why our English bibles use the words they use and they must understand why in some passages one word is preferred over another. Only a basic understanding of Greek, Hebrew and Latin will accomplish this.
THANK YOU, Publius! You have made a very important point. The bible only arrived in the English as we know it after having been translated through several languages. Therefore, It is critical to have a thorough familiarity with th precision of language.
ReplyDeleteFor example, was Mary Magdalene really a prostitute? Or was she merely an unmarried or widowed woman who chose to leave the "protection" of father's home. A bold act such as that would have put her at about the same level as a woman who actually took money from men, in exchange for sexual favor. Even today, there are places in the world where such a woman in that way. The key lies in knowing the original word and its precise definition in THAT language.
Personally, I think she's been done a grave injustice; through the imprecision of translation and the politics of a church that cannot abide the thought that a woman would be on equal footing with a man, she may very well have been turned into something she wasn't. It's all in the language.
Check it out, Dan. You might be surprised at what you find.
Mia-no I would not want to harm Dan or his family. I have tried to warn Dan that what Emily was doing was not only harmful for his family(many others felt the same way) and she was not acting like a good Christian. I think her having a blog took over her life and she forgot what was the most important thing. Emily's job is to be a good Christian, wife, and mother. Her blogging brought out an evil side of her and her priorities were put on the back burner.
ReplyDeleteA basic understanding of etymology would make it obvious that there is no relation, linguistically, between "ecclesia" and "church." Read a few more google results next time, and make some sense out of the entire entries, instead of just going for that first one that makes no sense at all.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why Mary Magdalene has been dragged into this, since she has nothing to do with Dan's post. Her undeserved slandering does serve, though, to prove a point about a common, unintended, irony of nitpicking others' research--nowhere in the Bible, regardless of translation, is Mary Magdalene identified as a prostitute. I knew that when I read the repetition of that unfair reputation, but in the interest of due diligence, I confirmed it in a couple of places before writing this comment.
Dan, will you change your opinion on WIC and Food Stamps and let some good food come in your house? Can you imagine the good dinners you'll have, actual food, not something concocted in Emily's brain? Heck you could even have beans and weenies. Go ahead and buy Emily a real cookbook and tell her you want her to use the oven and try some recipes. Give your kids taste of real food, not dollar tree sausage and beef.
ReplyDeleteI wish you peace.
Interesting that Emily was upset about people copying her Blog. If any one here has read the Tightwad Gazette by Amy D you'll realize very quick where Emily gets a lot of her information and ideas.
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, there are many frugal bloggers in cyber-space,with a lot of them repeating the same information over and over again from one blog to the next. What I find interesting is that many of these blogs have been around a long time, have a good following and rarely receive negative comments. Then Emily starts a blog and it last only two three months before she shuts it down because of all the "stupid" and "crazy" people commenting on her blog.
Instead of looking at the real reasons her blog was unsuccessful she blames her readers -- the stupid and crazy ones who left nasty comments making blogging for her "not fun". Emily comes across as an inflexible know it all who won't even consider the possibility that she could be wrong - it's her way or the highway. If she comes across like that in her writing, just imagine how she must come across in real life. As if living in poverty, happily of course, is the only way to live.
You're mostly right Dona. What's interesting is that Emily admitted that it wasn't the nasty people who always opposed her that caused her to take down the blog. It was her supporters who challenged her that made it 'not fun' for Emily. In other words, heretics won't be tolerated in Emily's strange little world.
ReplyDeleteAmulbunny,
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong with concocting meals in your head? Where do you think the recipes in recipe books come from? Thin air? Someone had to think of them. I'll admit that Emily's meals are unappetizing to me, but that's okay. If her family enjoys them they enjoy them, it's none of my business. Just because I come up with the recipes for my family's meals instead of Betty Crocker or Better Homes and Gardens doesn't mean my food is nasty, it just means I'm more creative and a better cook than people that can't go without a recipe.
wow such hair splitting and judgement :( It's one thing to debate an idea or writing but that is not what is going on here.
ReplyDeleteDan you write some interesting thoughts on what church is. Keep it up. I hope Emily and the kids are well.
It's one thing to create recipes in your head when you're a chef or someone who has an understanding of how flavors and textures go together as well as the science of cooking. Emily's recipes demonstrate her complete lack of knowledge about flavors. She seems to follow along with whatever the weird organic and 'natural' extremists are up to. In the very least she uses all of their hyped jargon.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with this crowd is that many of them, especially the internet crazies, don't really understand how to make food taste good. They only understand the overstated health benefits of the extremist ingredient of the month. (for Emily it seems to be that gross sprouting rice stuff right now) In terms of making things taste good, Emily and her internet naturalists, an oxymoron if you ask me, don't have the slightest ideal what they're doing. They live a sad existence because of it.
I tried several of the things Emily is doing. My food tastes great. Have you tried any of the recipes? You seem very negative :(
ReplyDeleteI don't cook with a crockpot so it's difficult for me to make any of Emily's gross recipes. My idea of good salsa is not lacto-fermented salsa puree. My idea of ham is not overcooked pork shoulder. I make real pizza, in an extremely hot oven like a normal person. I make homemade pasta and I'm here to tell you Emily's recipe is incorrect because she doesn't use eggs. So far as I can tell, she doesn't salt her pasta water which of course leads to bland tasting pasta.
ReplyDeleteMy point here is that Emily isn't a good enough cook to just come up with recipes in her head. She doesn't understand how flavors go together, she doesn't understand how to make the most of cheap cuts of meat. She uses her crockpot to a fault and because of that her food isn't very good. For goodness sakes she never browns anything. How can you make good meat without browning it? That crockpot ruins most if not all of her food. All for a 2 cent savings.
plenty of people primarily cook with a crock pot. you are too judgmental, there are websites devoted to 365 days of crockpot meals :D Don't knock it till you try it ;-)
ReplyDeleteOh wow, there's a web site. That means lots of people must use crockpots all the time. This is ultimately the problem with the internet. All the lunatics congregate on here and pretend that everything they do is normal and mainstream. After all, there's a web page!
ReplyDeleteOk, I cook with a crockpot, deep fryer, oven, stove top and I have huge collection of cook books that I use. I also have hand me down recipes learned from my dad and mom that aren't written down, but are tasty,nutritious, and well presented. I live in Southern CA and her idea of fresh salsa is not what I'd make with fresh tomatoes, jalapenos and cilantro. It looks like glop.
ReplyDeleteMy idea of a good ham is one glazed with a fruit glaze and studded with cloves, then served with scalloped potatos and fresh vegetables.
As Publius says, a key too good meat is browning it. We're having Swiss steak and I can't imagine not pounding the round steak portions and flouring it and then browning before putting it in the crock pot or oven dish.
I've seen what Emily has photographed of her meals and they don't look appetizing or appealing. Noodles need eggs IMHO.
Ah well, a mini controversy. Time to go get some ham, taters, parsnips, chicken stock, and cabbage for my New England boiled dinner.
Peace.
But, Mishie, the crockpot person you are speaking about makes yummy things and the public has noticed. People WANT her crockpot recipes, want her to write a book about it. There's a difference between cooking quality foods that people enjoy in a crockpot and cooking everything in a crockpot because you are afraid of the oven.
ReplyDeleteDid Emily say she was afraid of the oven? I haven't followed her blog that closely. Crockpots are great for busy people who want a good meal at the end of the day w/o all the work in the afternoon. I love to cook and try new things. Pork shoulder is very good IMO I can't stand the taste of salt in my food. It's a matter of taste and preference.
ReplyDeleteThere is so much negativity in the criticism.... I see more a desire to insult this family than to "educate" them. They are doing it differently. They are working hard. I think they will make out just fine. ♥
Oh, many have tried very hard to gently guide them, show them alternative ways that were heatlhy and would still save them money, only to be put down, ignored, and dogged on. I pray they change. I really do. I pray Dan will figure out that they need a different way of doing things and will put his foot down with Emily and that she will listen to him. That would be incredible for their family and incredible for their children.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why Emily refuses to use the paid for, electricity included in their rent, oven. It makes no sense at all to waste money like that. You don't have to go overboard, but it seems like it's all based on fear on her part by the reasons she has given. I didn't just make that part up, her own words are out there about it.
If I were them I wouldn't take 80% of the "advice" and "education" given. I also don't think they asked for it. A debate or discussion is more what I see if they are asking for anything. Judgment and harassment never do seem to work well,
ReplyDeleteI don't like the taste of salt in my food either but salt must be there in order for the natural flavors of food to be tasted. If you boil potatoes in salt water for mashed potatoes the end product tastes excellent. If you wait and put salt in your mashed potatoes after they've been cooked they just taste salty. It's all a matter of when the salt is added.
ReplyDeleteCrockpots have their place, though we may disagree on where that place actually is. That said, Emily uses her crockpot almost exclusively and that's just plain sad. Especially so when she has a range and oven at her disposal. Pork shoulder is great but it isn't great when its ruined in a crockpot. And it surely isn't ham as Emily has tried to claim.
I have sympathy for Dan, who strikes me as a decent enough young man being a led around by his nasty wife. I have little more than contempt for Emily who comes off as a self-righteous know it all. A know it all at the tender age of 22 no less. (or is it 24?) I have the utmost sympathy for the children who are stuck in a household run by a lunatic mother and a decent but feeble minded father.
Mishie,
ReplyDeleteEm basically didn't notice that their oldest son was sleeping 24/7 for over 2 days, was severely dehydrated and was in a coma that ended up with him in ICU.
They've put their lives on the internet, it's fair game. I don't sign anonymous, I sign my screen name. I am not afraid of people.
And, Emily has often asked for advice, OFTEN. I agree, she needs to be in tune with her children. I would know if my child was that sick. Why? Because I pay a lot of attention to them, know them, know their normal behaviors, and know basic medical care (just things I have learned as a parent of two children, no formal training) to know she had a VERY sick child on her hands and ignored it long enough it could have taken his life, his LIFE.
ReplyDeleteHer food looks nasty. BUT, if Dan chooses to eat that way, God bless him. She is ugly about her husband, made him out to be a horrible (abusive) tyrant as she begged to stop blogging and finally he conceded to allow her not to type things on the internet. Come to find out, that was a lie. She tells us horrible he is and will just scarf every bit of snack in the house if she brings things in. So, she's painting a picture of either a starving person or an animal. Dan doesn't seem like an animal. She has said not nice things about him often on her blog, and it's sad that he puts up with it. I never speak about my husband like that. If I have an issue with him, I take it to him privately and don't air it publicly, especially to total strangers. And the LAST thing I would want to do would be to paint him in the sad light she has painted him in, no matter if it's true or not.
Many things she says don't add up. So, she's either lying, embellishing (pretty word for lying), or her life is the oddest thing in the entire world and studies should be done to see how and why it works as it does totally out of her control. She wants to be a pastor's wife, but treats people with contempt, pride, and an ugly heart. She has a long way to go to be under the ever watchful eye of a church.
I have a wonderful pastor's wife in our church and she carries herself with grace, compassion, love, and kindness. Sure, she messes up. She's the first to admit it. But her heart is on God, not on contempt for others. I pray she can grow up quickly and mature so she can help her husband have a successful pastor position because that is one of a few careers where your spouse can hurt your job in serious ways.
I could go on, but why. You are blinded by her. You think she's just incredible and refuse to even think there might be a blemish on her bloggy self. We all have them, most of us are just not so vain as to deny them.
She has very little to complain about. She WANTS the drama. She even said she knew the pictures she was going to post would cause it. She posted drama-filled comments instead of ignoring them (even though she said those wouldn't be published) even from anonymous posters (which she said she wouldn't publish anymore). She liked it because she got a lot of money due to it. If she wanted a nice blog, she could have had one. She could have just skipped the drama inducing posts and kept to frugality, life, homemaking, and so on. She's very much like movie stars. You know, going in, that you will be hounded by the public and paparazzi, so don't complain when you get famous enough to be in the Enquirer, you knew going in that would happen due to your place in society. And, if you really want the drama to leave, quit "leaking" your private tapes (her pictures in the blog world).
I don't think she is incredible just different. I think you have read to far into her words. I take her words at face value. I see loving family determined to make a good life for themselves. She talks no differently than most about their husbands. She praises him as much as she gripes about bad habits. He is agreeable to the lifestyle and small changes.
ReplyDeleteI take them at face value. I do not presume them to mean more than the words on the page. The negativity is vile. If you have such a soft spot for Dan than don't trash talk his wife. See her from his perspective. Ask him honestly if you wish to know more than just words on the page. Ask him with a kind heart that wishes to know his feelings. I believe they have an enormous amount of love for each other and their children. A sick child is nothing to freak out about. After 2 days they took him for treatment. Most viruses run their course in a day or two I see nothing neglectful there. It could be genetic as the drs said. I remember Emily seeing a need for regular check ups b/c of that. I think all is fine in their little corner of the world ♥
Lose your anger and take another look. Lose your judgment and look again.
Again, the little boy was sleeping in their bed and basically non responsive before she noticed. He was transported from their local ER to BBCH in Portland. I've had sick children and I've had a critically ill child. I know the difference.
ReplyDeleteShe is 25 and thinks she knows it all. She doesn't.
I think the only reason Emily will be taking them to the doctor is to keep CPS off of her back. Sleeping on pee stained mattresses under a crib is not conducive to healthy living.
And by the way, I am not angry, I am concerned. And if I was a mandated reporter in the state of Maine, I might make a report after seeing the pictures of the closet she's using as a room and the safety hazards in it.
Dan and Emily are adults. They can live in a Wal-Mart tent in the park as far as I am concerned, but their children should be their 1st priority. She won't make it as a preachers wife. The congregational women will eat her up like chopped liver and spit her out.
lol you might not make it as a christian either ;)
ReplyDeleteO snap.
ReplyDeleteI guess I should be offended.
Nope, I am a liberal, social justice inclined Christian who calls a spade a spade. I've been walking wet in the spirit before Emily or Dan were glints in their parents eyes, maybe before their parents were born.
I've asked Dan and he doesn't answer. I don't know if Dan or Emily controls the keyboard. She seems to control every aspect of their life except for the Christmas tree.
Later. Peace. Out.
Mishie, I should ask Dan or I am judging? Mishie, dear Mishie, remember, you are judging me in this whole thing with tainted glasses. I have asked Emily. My posts were on here words, her words! In fact, little Dan's problems could be genetic but she will never know. How do I say this? I say it because she isn't taking him for follow ups, didn't get him the therapy he needed, and that's that. How do I know this? She told me! Hello. She even told the bloggers that read her site.
ReplyDeletePot and kettle are the same color. But, in this case, the pot was innocent and the kettle is yelling about it. Ironic that you didn't ask ME to clarify before judging.
Oh, and Mishie, as Dan can attest, you have no right or ability to judge someone's eternal destination. Doing so is a sin. So, please stop harping on us for our transgressions in transgression-filled posts. It's really hypocritical. I would talk to you about that privately, but there's no way to contact you. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteThat was not a judgment at all just a play on words from pp. It is all hair splitting on what is or isn't happening. What should and shouldn't be. I read her blogs and the comments. I think you are assuming or reading deeper into it.
ReplyDeleteFact is Dan and Emily put their family on the net. I hope they had good intentions. They wanted to share the good news, a frugal life style and share their thoughts and theories. I hope they did for all the good reasons. If they did it for discord well they got it didn't they. Personally I would love to see Dan and Emily clarify a few things. It is interesting the assumptions made since they don't. :(
Anyone else think Mishie is Emily?
ReplyDeleteMishie, sometimes they do...via email.
ReplyDeletelmao no I am not Emily. Just a blog reader who's lost her ability to enjoy a blog b.c the nastiness on the net :(
ReplyDeleteMishie, if you don't like the nastiness on some blogs you do have some choices.
ReplyDeleteFind other blogs (I notice you are still here commenting. Makes you wonder how much you dislike it.) OR read the blogs and ignore the comments OR read the blogs, read the comments, and ignore the comments you don't like. No reason to ruin your time on a favorite blog because you don't like a comment or two.
I don't know how to find blogs. :( A friend posted Emily's. I click on various comments and look at their blogs. I keep looking but there isn't a search term for "interesting writer"
ReplyDeleteI am angry. There is so much devoted to tearing people down. It makes me sad. Most wouldn't speak this way irl why is it ok to do online? I am here yes, kinda looking for the point of all this ugliness. I was naive to think it could be understood, :(
If presented the sort of nonsense Emily spouts in person I would respond exactly as I have online. The fact though is that in person most people don't spout off like they do online. That includes those who comment but that also includes those who write blogs. In person, Emily isn't as likely to spout off the pure crazy that she spouts off here. In the very least, she's likely guarded around those she doesn't know.
ReplyDeleteMishie, finding good blogs is hard. I often read the sidebar of blogs I like and see who they are reading. Then I look at those blogs they are reading, and so on. I have found most of my favorites that way.
ReplyDeleteAlso, and this sounds too simple to work but it does, you can just google the topic of interest and add the word "blog" to it (i.e. cooking blog, natural living blog, cloth diapering blog). This will give you a huge list of places to visit.
When you like someone's comment, click their name in the comment section. People often tie their blogs to their sign in.
Last, and certainly not least, at the top of blogspot blogs (that's the blog site Dan and Emily use) you can click "next blog" and it will take you to a new blog, just a random one. Kind of fun, you never know what you are going to get.
Hope that helps. Happy blogging.
yeah I keep playing with it.... I will eventually find a new blog to go with my morning coffee :P
ReplyDeleteMishie, this is a fantastic blog about leading a self-sustaining life and being frugal. It's a woman in Australia and her advice is mature, sound and gently given.
ReplyDeletehttp://down---to---earth.blogspot.com/
Yeah, I am pretty much backing out of Dan and Emily's blogs. I think they enjoy the drama and use it to pad their pockets financially. I am 100% for a family making money with writing. I come from a history of authors in my family. Blogging is the new way to get paid to write. But I hate when drama and children are used to create that paycheck. It used to seem like they were interested in people commenting and making suggestions. Then things started to get very scary with what was happening in their home and I became very concerned for their children and their safety (no, I am not talking about the Rubbermaid containers - heheh). My biggest hope for them is that Dan will find an accredited school, go to some quality and intersting classes, graduate with an incredible education, find a wonderful career, move his family to a modest but well-suited home, and that Emily will find her place as a Mom, find her stride and rythym, and will start placing Dan's needs and wants higher up on her priority list, and her children's needs and wants up there as well, all while they turn their hearts towards God's will in their lives and His bidding.
ReplyDeleteWith that, I won't be posting anything else like this on their blogs. Sure, a word of support or encouragement, but that's all. I don't want to be emotionally invested in someone that not only doesn't want it, but scoffs at it (not speaking of Dan there). God bless and God speed.
Dan, are you okay? The picture of you on Facebook looks like someone who's been in a concentration camp. My God boy, get some decent food in you.
ReplyDeleteanyone there?
ReplyDeleteWhat did CPS have to say?
ReplyDeleteDid someone actually call CPS on these guys?
ReplyDeleteHi Dan,
ReplyDeleteHope everything is ok, and that your family is happy and healthy.
Hi Dan,
ReplyDeleteHope everything is going well and the kids and you are healthy and happy. Did Little Dan get into Headstart and back to therapy? Has spring sprung?
Peace
Wow Dan it's been a year and no news from you. I hope you are all well and the kids are thriving.
ReplyDeleteKeep us posted.
Peace.